1 00:02:10,332 --> 00:02:14,086 Never again will there be 2 00:02:15,045 --> 00:02:18,924 a tango couple like us. 3 00:02:21,512 --> 00:02:22,971 I think we were 4 00:02:23,014 --> 00:02:28,645 the couple of the 20th century and of the 21st as well. 5 00:03:23,954 --> 00:03:27,665 If I die and were to be reborn, 6 00:03:28,165 --> 00:03:30,668 I'd do everything the same again. 7 00:03:31,043 --> 00:03:35,591 Be a tango dancer above all else. 8 00:03:39,971 --> 00:03:43,307 I'd do it all, except for... 9 00:03:43,682 --> 00:03:45,559 being with Juan. 10 00:03:45,852 --> 00:03:47,061 Everything. 11 00:04:48,835 --> 00:04:53,131 OUR LAST TANGO 12 00:04:55,354 --> 00:04:58,357 Subrip: Pix 13 00:05:08,524 --> 00:05:12,361 In life, there's only one time 14 00:05:12,946 --> 00:05:14,988 when you fall in love 15 00:05:15,864 --> 00:05:18,326 and are blinded by that person. 16 00:05:18,702 --> 00:05:20,454 Just one time. 17 00:05:20,829 --> 00:05:22,581 It's your first love. 18 00:06:00,036 --> 00:06:03,290 In my day, there were milongas in every neighborhood 19 00:06:03,665 --> 00:06:08,087 and lots of dances and people went to them. 20 00:06:23,354 --> 00:06:29,486 I remember coming here, to the "Estrella de Maldonado" club only once. 21 00:06:31,570 --> 00:06:35,491 I came with my sister and her friends. 22 00:06:35,868 --> 00:06:37,119 That's the only thing 23 00:06:37,995 --> 00:06:42,833 that I remember about it. Because I didn't dance at that time. 24 00:06:43,583 --> 00:06:48,255 I was very young. My sister wouldn't let me dance, 25 00:06:48,631 --> 00:06:52,468 because then they would all have danced with me, and not with her. 26 00:08:00,916 --> 00:08:02,960 It's been years... 27 00:08:03,293 --> 00:08:05,588 How old were you when you met Juan? 28 00:08:06,296 --> 00:08:09,885 -13 or 14. -13 or 14? - So young? 29 00:08:10,261 --> 00:08:14,598 He's three years older. I'm turning 80, and he's 83. 30 00:08:15,141 --> 00:08:19,395 -Did he dance well? -No, in the beginning he was a cart, 31 00:08:19,771 --> 00:08:22,607 as we used to say, when people couldn't... 32 00:08:22,982 --> 00:08:26,403 That's what people said in the milongas. The word "cart" meant 33 00:08:26,861 --> 00:08:29,406 someone who couldn't dance. 34 00:08:31,824 --> 00:08:33,910 Because I was young 35 00:08:34,285 --> 00:08:37,789 and supposedly good-looking, girls danced with me. 36 00:08:38,915 --> 00:08:42,461 As there was no way to learn other than treading on people, 37 00:08:42,837 --> 00:08:46,174 I kept treading on girls. 38 00:08:47,967 --> 00:08:50,804 I liked the way he looked. 39 00:08:51,179 --> 00:08:55,141 He made an impact on me, I felt something. 40 00:08:56,226 --> 00:09:02,525 Butterflies in my stomach. At night I couldn't get him out of my head. 41 00:09:02,899 --> 00:09:08,113 I hugged the pillow, or I closed my eyes and... 42 00:09:08,489 --> 00:09:12,786 How silly we women are. How silly. 43 00:09:16,247 --> 00:09:17,916 Then he disappeared. 44 00:09:18,291 --> 00:09:21,212 He returned the next year when we were already at the "Atlanta" club, 45 00:09:21,669 --> 00:09:27,133 and by then he danced with great elegance. Only simple steps. 46 00:09:27,509 --> 00:09:31,013 In the time you didn't see him did you wonder where he was? 47 00:09:31,389 --> 00:09:35,977 -No, because I had only seen him once in a club. -But you'd noticed him? 48 00:09:36,269 --> 00:09:38,856 I noticed him, but... 49 00:09:40,023 --> 00:09:41,524 I didn't miss a trick. 50 00:09:43,026 --> 00:09:46,238 Yes, I noticed him. 51 00:10:01,170 --> 00:10:04,424 I can hardly believe that this is the "Atlanta". 52 00:10:04,799 --> 00:10:08,595 I came here from '48 to '50. 53 00:10:08,970 --> 00:10:12,141 The dancefloor was enormous. 54 00:10:15,352 --> 00:10:19,149 It's strange seeing it with this roof. It was open air. 55 00:10:19,524 --> 00:10:22,109 You danced tango and saw the moon. 56 00:10:22,443 --> 00:10:26,740 You saw the stars. It was romantic. 57 00:10:27,157 --> 00:10:31,912 Hundreds of young women and men 58 00:10:32,288 --> 00:10:35,541 with a tremendous love of tango. 59 00:10:35,917 --> 00:10:39,671 All this brings back beautiful memories. 60 00:10:41,047 --> 00:10:45,843 It makes me a bit sad, too. Because I see it has aged, 61 00:10:46,219 --> 00:10:49,097 just like I've aged. 62 00:10:50,139 --> 00:10:53,561 But this is where Maria Nieves came from. 63 00:11:54,082 --> 00:11:57,794 Fine. That's enough. Just a bit, so Maria can get the idea. 64 00:11:58,171 --> 00:12:00,382 It's lovely, what they're doing. 65 00:12:01,716 --> 00:12:03,425 Beautiful. 66 00:12:04,678 --> 00:12:07,973 -But, I danced closer. -Closer? 67 00:12:08,015 --> 00:12:10,100 And with fewer steps. 68 00:12:10,143 --> 00:12:12,061 Especially the first time. 69 00:12:12,436 --> 00:12:14,522 And with more eye contact. 70 00:12:15,439 --> 00:12:19,068 She looked at you, you didn't look at her. 71 00:12:19,528 --> 00:12:23,614 -I didn't look at her? -No. It's like this. 72 00:12:28,578 --> 00:12:32,291 You understand? Later, as professionals, 73 00:12:32,667 --> 00:12:36,837 we parted slightly to do the gancho steps. 74 00:12:37,213 --> 00:12:40,133 But we danced more like this. 75 00:12:40,507 --> 00:12:43,303 Understand? Together. 76 00:13:06,535 --> 00:13:10,207 She was a beautiful girl. She was 16, 17 years old. 77 00:13:10,582 --> 00:13:13,210 And I realized she was what I was looking for, 78 00:13:13,461 --> 00:13:16,880 for my height and the way I moved. 79 00:13:17,256 --> 00:13:19,050 At that moment I knew 80 00:13:19,424 --> 00:13:22,220 I'd found my Stradivarius. 81 00:13:57,924 --> 00:14:02,554 As I danced with Maria Nieves, I asked her, "Will you be my girlfriend?" 82 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:07,059 She stayed silent and didn't reply. 83 00:14:07,434 --> 00:14:10,146 "I have to ask my sister." 84 00:14:10,522 --> 00:14:13,400 And we chatted too. 85 00:14:13,775 --> 00:14:16,153 "How are you? How was your week?" 86 00:14:16,860 --> 00:14:21,198 Ear to ear. - Did Juan ask you anything the first time you danced? - No. 87 00:15:04,787 --> 00:15:07,833 That's it! Good! 88 00:15:10,252 --> 00:15:12,879 Let her go! 89 00:15:15,048 --> 00:15:16,592 It's very complicated. 90 00:15:20,888 --> 00:15:22,390 Look at each other. 91 00:15:22,765 --> 00:15:24,976 Look up. That's it. 92 00:15:25,768 --> 00:15:28,563 Gently! Onto his back. 93 00:15:28,938 --> 00:15:30,607 That's it! 94 00:15:38,116 --> 00:15:42,702 I'd fallen in love with him. That's all. Dancing was an excuse. 95 00:15:44,622 --> 00:15:46,249 You understand what I'm saying? 96 00:15:47,125 --> 00:15:51,255 I went dancing because that was the joy of the poor. 97 00:15:51,630 --> 00:15:53,839 To go dancing on Saturdays and Sundays. 98 00:15:54,215 --> 00:15:58,302 But I wasn't interested in the dance as much 99 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:01,431 as in the person. 100 00:16:21,662 --> 00:16:25,623 We had a very bad childhood. 101 00:16:25,999 --> 00:16:31,004 Always there was the pain of not having anything. 102 00:16:33,175 --> 00:16:38,262 I saw my mother going through the trash. 103 00:16:40,724 --> 00:16:45,145 To make a stew, if she found a bone she'd take it, 104 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,981 wash it, boil it, and give it to us. 105 00:17:14,884 --> 00:17:17,679 I never had a doll. 106 00:17:18,056 --> 00:17:22,101 The glass soda siphon we had, that was my doll. 107 00:17:22,476 --> 00:17:25,313 I put a cloth on the bottleneck. 108 00:17:27,982 --> 00:17:29,568 This brings back... 109 00:17:31,777 --> 00:17:33,404 memories. 110 00:18:04,312 --> 00:18:10,153 I didn't know how to dance tango, or that it takes two to tango. 111 00:18:10,529 --> 00:18:15,950 So I took the broom as if I was sweeping and rode it like a horse. 112 00:18:16,535 --> 00:18:20,915 That's what tango did to me when I heard it on the radio. 113 00:19:12,804 --> 00:19:16,057 How did you do your hair to go to the milonga? 114 00:19:16,432 --> 00:19:19,018 The way it was at home all day. 115 00:19:19,561 --> 00:19:26,110 -And your clothes? -The same clothes I'd worn all week to work. 116 00:19:26,485 --> 00:19:29,071 I washed and ironed them. 117 00:19:29,446 --> 00:19:31,824 -And took them with you? -I went wearing them. 118 00:19:32,199 --> 00:19:35,786 My shoes were worn out, everything was worn out. 119 00:19:37,287 --> 00:19:41,458 Everything was old. But I didn't give a damn. 120 00:19:41,835 --> 00:19:44,337 I wanted to dance tango. 121 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,040 The style was born in the "Atlanta" with elements from both of us. 122 00:20:18,416 --> 00:20:20,626 She was quick, I was slow. 123 00:20:21,002 --> 00:20:23,671 We united both elements and discovered something new 124 00:20:24,047 --> 00:20:25,924 that later became a popular style, 125 00:20:26,299 --> 00:20:27,591 the Copes style. 126 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:39,564 There was no one else for me. 127 00:20:40,229 --> 00:20:43,568 While she was with me, she was the only one. 128 00:20:43,943 --> 00:20:45,735 She was the greatest. 129 00:21:17,729 --> 00:21:20,232 Together for 50 years. 130 00:21:20,773 --> 00:21:22,109 -Can you imagine? -No. 131 00:21:24,236 --> 00:21:27,405 They must have danced all their feelings. 132 00:21:29,492 --> 00:21:32,245 -Yes, most certainly. -50 years! 133 00:21:34,162 --> 00:21:39,002 Maria says she never imagined that it would come to an end. 134 00:21:45,299 --> 00:21:48,094 I hold Juan in very high regard. 135 00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:51,557 I'd like to be his friend. 136 00:21:51,931 --> 00:21:54,018 But that cannot be. 137 00:21:56,436 --> 00:22:01,566 Only I know what I went through. Because it was a partnership 138 00:22:01,942 --> 00:22:07,448 and you can't break up a partnership without looking each other in the eye. 139 00:22:44,738 --> 00:22:49,202 We went to the movies, they were showing "Singin' in the Rain". 140 00:22:49,578 --> 00:22:52,496 And we went at least five times. 141 00:22:53,247 --> 00:22:54,873 We dreamed. 142 00:22:55,249 --> 00:22:58,044 I think we came out of there 143 00:22:58,628 --> 00:23:02,216 and thought we were Gene Kelly and Cyd Charisse. 144 00:24:06,325 --> 00:24:10,164 Don't I look like Gene Kelly? Really, I look like him. 145 00:24:41,072 --> 00:24:45,242 That's a memory that I'll take to the next world. 146 00:24:46,828 --> 00:24:50,165 Maybe I'll meet him there. I am someone who believes 147 00:24:50,540 --> 00:24:53,043 that there is life after death. 148 00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:57,256 So don't be surprised if I meet Gene Kelly. 149 00:25:08,602 --> 00:25:13,607 When they threw us out of the "Atlanta", one of the directors said to me, 150 00:25:13,983 --> 00:25:19,153 "Get out of here, you and your gang. We don't want any more tango." 151 00:25:20,990 --> 00:25:24,744 The same thing was happening all over. Tango clubs were being closed, 152 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,749 because new music was coming. Cumbia came, Rock came. 153 00:25:30,791 --> 00:25:33,293 But I said, "I can't give up. 154 00:25:33,919 --> 00:25:37,172 I'm going to invent something, but I'm going to do something with tango." 155 00:26:25,309 --> 00:26:27,351 He was a creator. 156 00:26:28,896 --> 00:26:31,691 He always said that tango 157 00:26:32,191 --> 00:26:35,320 had to be about more than just going to a milonga. 158 00:26:35,695 --> 00:26:37,780 That it could be something worldwide, 159 00:26:38,156 --> 00:26:41,034 just like Jazz was from the USA. 160 00:26:42,202 --> 00:26:46,372 He was obsessed with that, and he succeeded. 161 00:26:46,915 --> 00:26:49,042 And I accompanied him. 162 00:26:51,127 --> 00:26:53,629 I'm a good companion. 163 00:27:00,179 --> 00:27:04,267 Did you believe in Juan's conviction, that he'd achieve his goal? 164 00:27:04,309 --> 00:27:09,982 I knew he was tenacious and very intelligent and that he truly loved tango. 165 00:27:10,357 --> 00:27:14,862 So yes, I knew he would achieve what he'd set out to do. 166 00:27:15,237 --> 00:27:17,615 When we started to rehearse 167 00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:21,659 he brought in couples from the milongas. 168 00:27:22,035 --> 00:27:24,204 And he told everyone about his dream? 169 00:27:24,580 --> 00:27:28,460 Sure. Yes. And everyone accepted it. 170 00:27:28,835 --> 00:27:30,629 But then no one stuck to it. 171 00:27:31,004 --> 00:27:34,884 You can't imagine the number of good 172 00:27:35,509 --> 00:27:41,431 male and female tango dancers there were in our time. 173 00:27:41,806 --> 00:27:46,060 But they stopped. They got married. They had kids. 174 00:27:47,562 --> 00:27:52,109 Or they didn't have the spark that Juan had. 175 00:27:56,321 --> 00:27:58,699 The period I play, when she was young, 176 00:27:58,992 --> 00:28:05,374 is when Maria decided to follow him in his ideas, which were strange at the time, 177 00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:11,839 and the dream that all his projects were feasible. 178 00:28:12,214 --> 00:28:15,968 The dream and the admiration she had for Juan. 179 00:28:16,343 --> 00:28:20,014 Absolute admiration that she still has. 180 00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:22,935 When she talks about Juan, she says it was he 181 00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:27,064 who invented it all. He had the vision. 182 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,069 Yes, the tenacity and dedication. He was obsessed with dance. 183 00:28:39,618 --> 00:28:42,871 When I saw I had a group of friends with me, I said, 184 00:28:43,247 --> 00:28:47,126 "If tango has so many doors to open 185 00:28:47,501 --> 00:28:50,840 why not try to open one more?" 186 00:28:51,215 --> 00:28:54,927 And that was when I put it on stage for the first time. 187 00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:45,105 To think that it was in this theater 188 00:29:45,814 --> 00:29:49,653 that I made my debut 189 00:29:50,237 --> 00:29:52,781 in 1955! 190 00:29:54,992 --> 00:29:57,577 It brings back very beautiful memories. 191 00:29:57,952 --> 00:30:03,293 And some ugly ones too, because I opened my eyes here. 192 00:30:18,183 --> 00:30:22,228 I was dazzled seeing so many semi-naked women. 193 00:30:22,603 --> 00:30:26,192 It was a revolution in my head. You didn't get that in Villa Pueyrredón, 194 00:30:26,567 --> 00:30:28,945 or in Mataderos or anywhere. 195 00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:36,243 I didn't like it. 196 00:30:37,995 --> 00:30:41,123 Women giving themselves like that. 197 00:30:41,874 --> 00:30:44,126 That hurt me. 198 00:30:44,502 --> 00:30:48,216 And there were lots of chorus girls. 199 00:30:49,507 --> 00:30:54,763 20 chorus girls. The diva, the star, the starlet... 200 00:30:56,808 --> 00:30:58,852 It embarrassed me. 201 00:30:59,311 --> 00:31:03,232 I just wanted to get out of there. 202 00:31:10,197 --> 00:31:13,326 She thought I belonged to her. 203 00:31:13,701 --> 00:31:17,205 But, I didn't belong to her. On the contrary, she belonged to me. 204 00:31:22,085 --> 00:31:25,005 As a human being I always respected her, 205 00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:26,465 totally. 206 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,845 The fact that I had weaknesses, on the other hand, 207 00:31:32,221 --> 00:31:34,056 I think that's natural. 208 00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:37,058 Otherwise I wouldn't be a man. 209 00:31:38,019 --> 00:31:40,186 I wasn't jealous. 210 00:31:41,022 --> 00:31:43,150 No, not at all. 211 00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:49,072 And if I was jealous, I swallowed it all. 212 00:32:12,139 --> 00:32:16,268 You can't keep swapping. Pedro with Juana, then 213 00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:21,273 Pedro with Maria, Juana with Roberto, no, no, no. 214 00:32:21,816 --> 00:32:23,401 You must have patience 215 00:32:23,776 --> 00:32:27,655 and keep moving forward. Even if it's a married couple 216 00:32:27,988 --> 00:32:29,699 and they're arguing, 217 00:32:30,075 --> 00:32:32,492 not to lose the artistic aspect, because 218 00:32:32,868 --> 00:32:35,370 -that's the end. -It can be hard to separate. 219 00:32:36,246 --> 00:32:41,044 No, but you must separate the two. You suffer, but... 220 00:32:41,420 --> 00:32:45,424 it helps you to grow as an artist. 221 00:33:12,245 --> 00:33:16,833 I like solitude, but when I was able to resolve my past 222 00:33:17,208 --> 00:33:20,003 I said, "Now I'm going to do what I like. I'm alone. 223 00:33:20,962 --> 00:33:25,300 I'm financially independent, I don't want for anything", but... 224 00:33:25,885 --> 00:33:27,887 I forgot something. 225 00:33:28,345 --> 00:33:30,430 The years pass. 226 00:33:32,224 --> 00:33:36,687 And being alone is bad for you at 80. 227 00:34:05,677 --> 00:34:08,430 Good. Same again, so she's falling off the table. 228 00:34:08,806 --> 00:34:09,890 That's it. 229 00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:14,478 How come you went to the United States? 230 00:34:15,145 --> 00:34:20,442 Because when we started working here, Juan said, 231 00:34:20,985 --> 00:34:23,029 "I won't stop till Corrientes Ave," 232 00:34:23,404 --> 00:34:27,241 which was the top for a tango dancer. And we made it. 233 00:34:27,617 --> 00:34:31,037 When he got to Corrientes Avenue he was already thinking, 234 00:34:31,413 --> 00:34:36,043 "I won't stop till New York." He wanted to work on Broadway. 235 00:34:36,418 --> 00:34:39,171 So we set off, as he said, 236 00:34:39,547 --> 00:34:42,800 with a suitcase full of dreams. 237 00:34:50,308 --> 00:34:53,895 Do you know how hungry we were? How difficult it was? 238 00:35:04,615 --> 00:35:07,368 I thought about it, but didn't say anything. 239 00:35:07,744 --> 00:35:10,455 Didn't even tell Nieves we would dance on the table. 240 00:35:12,999 --> 00:35:14,292 I took some chalk 241 00:35:14,667 --> 00:35:17,587 and outlined 1.5 by 1.5 meters. 242 00:35:17,963 --> 00:35:20,507 "Let's try and do the double gancho step in here." 243 00:35:25,012 --> 00:35:27,848 I never told her we were going to do it in a show. 244 00:35:28,224 --> 00:35:32,645 The higher the table became, 245 00:35:33,021 --> 00:35:34,773 the happier I felt. 246 00:36:10,186 --> 00:36:14,899 I was terrified of that table. 247 00:36:15,274 --> 00:36:16,984 She didn't want to get on it for anything. 248 00:36:17,276 --> 00:36:23,283 And every single night we did it, she was afraid of falling off. 249 00:36:23,783 --> 00:36:29,247 But I did it for years, and I always felt panic. 250 00:36:52,481 --> 00:36:54,066 He liked it? He wasn't scared? 251 00:36:54,649 --> 00:36:58,153 No, I don't think so. Men are braver than women. 252 00:36:58,528 --> 00:37:00,615 -And you followed him? -Yes, of course. 253 00:37:00,906 --> 00:37:04,369 -Why? To that extent? -What was I going to do? 254 00:37:05,328 --> 00:37:07,497 It was the only thing I could do. 255 00:37:07,872 --> 00:37:09,457 Dance tango. 256 00:37:09,833 --> 00:37:14,087 -Always with Juan? - Always with Juan. -You never thought of changing? - No. 257 00:37:14,420 --> 00:37:17,758 I didn't even remotely think of that. 258 00:37:18,133 --> 00:37:21,470 Not even for a moment, when things weren't working? 259 00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:26,100 -Not even then. -Not even then. - No. 260 00:38:06,435 --> 00:38:11,106 My dream was to get married and have a family and children. 261 00:38:11,482 --> 00:38:15,945 Of course. My dream wasn't to be an artist. 262 00:38:16,321 --> 00:38:19,532 It never even entered my head. 263 00:38:21,034 --> 00:38:23,704 It was to have a home with children. 264 00:38:31,295 --> 00:38:34,590 But it all turned out differently. 265 00:38:37,635 --> 00:38:39,095 Completely different. 266 00:38:47,312 --> 00:38:49,147 When I got married 267 00:38:49,773 --> 00:38:51,316 I was happy. 268 00:38:52,985 --> 00:38:56,530 Like at any wedding. But I had no white dress. 269 00:38:56,905 --> 00:38:59,658 A long dress wouldn't have been fitting. 270 00:39:02,161 --> 00:39:03,454 For what? 271 00:39:05,081 --> 00:39:09,127 I was very pretty, and I was very emotional. 272 00:39:09,503 --> 00:39:13,340 When we got back here it all started to fall apart. 273 00:39:35,989 --> 00:39:38,909 A marriage in Las Vegas is invalid in all other countries. 274 00:39:39,743 --> 00:39:43,080 So we were both still single. And I told her, 275 00:39:43,455 --> 00:39:47,043 "I'm going to rehearse with five women, because I'm going on tour again." 276 00:39:47,418 --> 00:39:53,383 -She didn't believe me. -I don't think he did it with bad intentions. 277 00:39:54,217 --> 00:39:59,807 He'll have said, "I'll do a little tour with my group. 278 00:40:00,182 --> 00:40:04,853 We'll have some space from each other." I think that's good. 279 00:40:05,228 --> 00:40:08,066 Because I couldn't stand her anymore. 280 00:40:08,691 --> 00:40:10,526 Being on stage is one thing. 281 00:40:10,902 --> 00:40:14,698 It's another being off stage, before and afterwards. 282 00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:16,991 Terrible! 283 00:40:17,366 --> 00:40:22,081 That's when I realized what I could and couldn't stand anymore. 284 00:41:52,052 --> 00:41:53,804 He was handsome. 285 00:41:54,888 --> 00:41:56,848 Very passionate. 286 00:41:58,058 --> 00:41:59,685 He was very gentle. 287 00:42:00,061 --> 00:42:03,189 -He loved me very much. -It's beautiful 288 00:42:03,564 --> 00:42:05,692 -to feel so loved. -Yes! 289 00:42:06,859 --> 00:42:10,447 It was the first time that I felt so loved, 290 00:42:10,822 --> 00:42:13,032 that someone showed me their love. 291 00:42:15,743 --> 00:42:20,749 I enjoyed it a lot, yes. I really enjoyed it. 292 00:42:21,124 --> 00:42:26,255 At first I felt guilty, but later I said, "Guilty? For what?" 293 00:42:27,215 --> 00:42:30,093 You left me on my own, so fuck you! 294 00:42:32,678 --> 00:42:34,848 It's the truth. 295 00:42:35,223 --> 00:42:38,893 You take it and take it till you can't take any more. 296 00:42:40,854 --> 00:42:43,148 Look, they're waving to me. 297 00:42:44,859 --> 00:42:48,570 I danced with five girls, but not like with the one. 298 00:42:49,446 --> 00:42:52,533 I needed my partner again, 299 00:42:52,908 --> 00:42:55,995 to have the woman who danced with me. 300 00:43:11,303 --> 00:43:14,891 When I came back after two years of touring, I shaped her anew, 301 00:43:15,266 --> 00:43:18,352 I made her study and dance, and she changed her look. 302 00:43:18,728 --> 00:43:23,107 She was never as beautiful as in the second part of her life. 303 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,543 I missed him. 304 00:43:41,377 --> 00:43:44,255 But, you see, it doesn't matter. 305 00:43:44,589 --> 00:43:46,382 Whichever way... 306 00:43:47,426 --> 00:43:50,136 I thought I would forget him. 307 00:43:50,512 --> 00:43:53,140 I was very sad. 308 00:43:54,141 --> 00:43:57,644 But I had to choose and I chose... 309 00:43:58,228 --> 00:43:59,564 tango. 310 00:44:57,917 --> 00:45:01,130 Love doesn't exist. For me it's all a lie. 311 00:45:01,505 --> 00:45:04,716 -Don't say that. -It is, darling. 312 00:45:05,968 --> 00:45:08,971 And I reached a conclusion. 313 00:45:10,389 --> 00:45:12,057 You have to use men 314 00:45:12,642 --> 00:45:14,477 and throw them away. 315 00:45:14,810 --> 00:45:20,691 No tear shed by a woman for a man is worth it. 316 00:45:35,374 --> 00:45:38,670 A year later she joined us again, did the table dance and everything. 317 00:45:39,045 --> 00:45:41,423 And "Caño 14" opened. 318 00:45:41,881 --> 00:45:45,677 It was in Caño 14 in Buenos Aires, 319 00:45:46,053 --> 00:45:51,183 something that was imitated a lot where I established the Copes Tango Show. 320 00:45:54,186 --> 00:45:56,980 There, you see? Caño 14 was there. 321 00:45:57,356 --> 00:46:01,485 -That place there? -Yes, I can hardly believe it. 322 00:46:01,861 --> 00:46:06,991 -How long were you here? -About four years. 323 00:46:08,034 --> 00:46:11,246 -It was like being at home. -What a lovely feeling. 324 00:46:11,621 --> 00:46:14,291 And the lovely thing was 325 00:46:14,666 --> 00:46:18,963 how the people enjoyed the tango. 326 00:46:40,486 --> 00:46:45,950 At the weekends men came with their wives. 327 00:46:46,325 --> 00:46:51,248 The same guys came back alone later, droves of men came. 328 00:46:51,623 --> 00:46:54,876 In truth it was great for picking up men. 329 00:47:44,805 --> 00:47:46,973 It was a time of freedom. 330 00:47:47,015 --> 00:47:50,644 And of lots of work. I earned lots of money. 331 00:47:51,020 --> 00:47:54,106 So I could afford the luxury, after finishing work, 332 00:47:54,481 --> 00:47:59,320 of meeting friends, who worked nights, in the fancy places. 333 00:47:59,696 --> 00:48:02,615 Obviously we didn't go there to eat. 334 00:48:03,074 --> 00:48:04,701 We drank and drank. 335 00:48:05,077 --> 00:48:09,539 Because everyone who sat at the table had to buy a round. 336 00:48:12,668 --> 00:48:14,753 I don't remember. 337 00:48:15,629 --> 00:48:18,549 Because, I wasn't doing well either. 338 00:48:19,217 --> 00:48:22,011 But, I never once thought 339 00:48:22,386 --> 00:48:24,347 what he was thinking about. 340 00:48:24,723 --> 00:48:27,517 Besides, it seems stupid 341 00:48:28,226 --> 00:48:30,729 that he sought death, 342 00:48:31,396 --> 00:48:34,024 when it's so simple, 343 00:48:34,399 --> 00:48:38,738 face to face, looking each other in the eye, to say, "This can't go on." 344 00:48:41,532 --> 00:48:44,410 Suicide? No, it wasn't about suicide. 345 00:48:45,745 --> 00:48:47,413 I wanted to live. 346 00:48:47,914 --> 00:48:50,375 But, I had such a huge rage 347 00:48:50,751 --> 00:48:53,294 and I wasn't going to hit anyone. 348 00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:57,508 So I hit myself. It was like I stuck a dagger in myself! 349 00:48:59,593 --> 00:49:02,554 Myriam saved my life. 350 00:50:34,778 --> 00:50:37,823 They say there's no such thing as love at first sight. 351 00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:42,036 That's not true. It exists. I saw him and fell for him. 352 00:50:42,411 --> 00:50:44,497 And when he kissed me, what I felt for him 353 00:50:44,873 --> 00:50:47,083 I'd never felt before for any man. 354 00:50:50,044 --> 00:50:55,509 I've been with Myriam for 42 years. She's given me two daughters. 355 00:50:55,885 --> 00:51:00,222 That didn't happen with Maria. Maria and I always argued. 356 00:51:01,557 --> 00:51:03,851 But, I could have had kids. 357 00:51:04,227 --> 00:51:10,358 Maybe people ask, "Why didn't she have any children? 358 00:51:10,734 --> 00:51:13,737 She must be..." What's it called? 359 00:51:14,112 --> 00:51:16,448 Infertile. No. 360 00:51:20,369 --> 00:51:25,667 If I was 15 or 16 now and wanted a child, 361 00:51:26,042 --> 00:51:29,336 I'd have one. At home I'd be welcomed with open arms, 362 00:51:29,712 --> 00:51:33,133 and I wouldn't be looked down on in the neighborhood. 363 00:51:36,178 --> 00:51:39,890 But, in my day that was taboo. 364 00:51:42,851 --> 00:51:44,061 But yes, 365 00:51:44,562 --> 00:51:46,689 I could have had children. 366 00:51:54,363 --> 00:51:57,659 That's all. I can't tell you anything else. 367 00:52:14,134 --> 00:52:18,514 I have no reason to talk about it. I told you the other day 368 00:52:18,890 --> 00:52:22,268 I don't want to talk anymore. 369 00:52:34,741 --> 00:52:37,744 Let's talk about dancing. 370 00:52:38,369 --> 00:52:42,832 About what time I go to the bathroom, anything. 371 00:52:56,054 --> 00:52:58,724 You can make things up, if you want. 372 00:53:04,272 --> 00:53:07,859 You won't get any further, because I'm going to stay... 373 00:53:09,027 --> 00:53:09,986 like that. 374 00:53:10,362 --> 00:53:13,198 Silent. I won't say anything else. 375 00:53:14,616 --> 00:53:16,702 I won't say anything. 376 00:53:17,244 --> 00:53:22,583 You made me talk about Copes, Copes... You're getting on my nerves with Copes. 377 00:53:24,001 --> 00:53:26,546 Who the fuck is Copes? 378 00:54:06,922 --> 00:54:12,011 It was an actress and singer who said to me, "Maria, 379 00:54:12,386 --> 00:54:18,101 did you know that Juan has a child with another woman?" 380 00:54:18,477 --> 00:54:21,062 That killed me, as you can imagine. 381 00:54:21,438 --> 00:54:23,315 A child with another woman. 382 00:54:23,690 --> 00:54:28,654 I had a thousand thoughts in my head. 383 00:54:29,279 --> 00:54:32,492 People would think that I didn't give him a child, 384 00:54:32,867 --> 00:54:35,745 so he had a child with another woman. 385 00:54:37,038 --> 00:54:41,877 It made me very angry, and I wanted to run out screaming, 386 00:54:42,168 --> 00:54:45,714 because my pride was wounded. 387 00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:57,434 I don't know. 388 00:54:59,396 --> 00:55:02,565 It's difficult to judge this. Very difficult. 389 00:55:03,525 --> 00:55:06,528 It's difficult to judge another person's life. 390 00:55:08,155 --> 00:55:10,240 They seemed like a couple... 391 00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:12,785 without equal. 392 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,205 They had the world at their feet. They were the tango. 393 00:55:16,580 --> 00:55:19,875 For 30 years it was just them. 394 00:55:20,919 --> 00:55:23,755 In terms of dance, what they had was so strong 395 00:55:24,130 --> 00:55:25,757 that it was untouchable. 396 00:55:26,633 --> 00:55:28,385 Maybe having a family 397 00:55:28,843 --> 00:55:31,930 was dangerous for them. Who knows? 398 00:55:41,941 --> 00:55:44,235 I don't regret anything. 399 00:55:46,737 --> 00:55:49,908 Life panned out as it did. I accepted it. 400 00:55:50,283 --> 00:55:54,162 And I carried on living. I can't regret everything. 401 00:55:58,083 --> 00:56:01,045 That's why I advise young women 402 00:56:01,420 --> 00:56:04,006 who marry and are tango dancers, 403 00:56:04,381 --> 00:56:07,301 not to delay having a child. 404 00:56:08,219 --> 00:56:12,014 Because tango can wait for two, three or four years. 405 00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:14,559 Because they're young. 406 00:56:14,934 --> 00:56:19,648 Because once you realize, it's too late. That's what happened to me. 407 00:56:55,728 --> 00:56:58,481 You know what my mother said to me? 408 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,404 You can have another man, 409 00:57:04,780 --> 00:57:10,911 but for the rest of your life your husband will be Juan. 410 00:58:01,924 --> 00:58:03,759 Dance freely now. 411 00:58:14,521 --> 00:58:19,193 When things were difficult, did you ever think of quitting tango? 412 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,529 No. 413 00:58:23,614 --> 00:58:27,451 If the thought arose, then I rejected it at once, 414 00:58:27,827 --> 00:58:31,748 because all my life I had fought for that. 415 00:58:32,123 --> 00:58:34,376 So I had to continue. 416 00:58:35,085 --> 00:58:36,920 So, no. 417 00:58:38,046 --> 00:58:40,465 -Never? -Never. 418 00:59:10,205 --> 00:59:15,211 I was hurt. But that helped me 419 00:59:15,586 --> 00:59:17,297 to rise a bit higher, 420 00:59:17,672 --> 00:59:21,718 because I was always beneath him. 421 00:59:44,993 --> 00:59:47,579 I said to myself, 422 00:59:48,330 --> 00:59:51,917 "I'll show you. I'll mop the floor with you on stage." 423 00:59:52,292 --> 00:59:54,295 Yes, I remember that. 424 00:59:56,380 --> 00:59:58,841 Not knock him down, 425 00:59:59,217 --> 01:00:02,136 but try to show him up. 426 01:00:02,511 --> 01:00:07,100 And I grew a lot during that time. 427 01:00:18,153 --> 01:00:22,157 For me as a dancer it was magnificent. 428 01:00:22,825 --> 01:00:25,911 I danced with hate on stage. 429 01:00:51,939 --> 01:00:55,277 What stands out to me is a certain disconnectedness, 430 01:00:55,652 --> 01:00:59,072 -which is interesting. - In their look? -In their look. - Disconnectedness? 431 01:00:59,447 --> 01:01:02,535 -Show me. -Yes, look. Each one is looking away. 432 01:01:02,910 --> 01:01:05,329 -They're not looking at each other. -Compared to the other photos... 433 01:01:05,704 --> 01:01:08,332 They used to be more connected. 434 01:01:08,707 --> 01:01:13,296 -Yes, there's no comparison. -It's like they're absent. 435 01:01:13,672 --> 01:01:16,633 That must really have happened to them. 436 01:01:17,008 --> 01:01:18,635 I can't explain it. 437 01:01:19,928 --> 01:01:24,183 Because they say there was a time when they danced, but didn't talk. 438 01:01:26,185 --> 01:01:28,813 That they only saw each other on stage. 439 01:01:29,188 --> 01:01:31,148 It's like dancing with a stranger. 440 01:01:31,524 --> 01:01:35,320 I think they're connected in their disconnectedness. 441 01:01:49,210 --> 01:01:50,962 I think the difficult thing 442 01:01:51,337 --> 01:01:57,384 is how to sustain such a stormy relationship for so many years. 443 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:07,813 I don't know if I could have sustained a relationship like that. 444 01:02:48,899 --> 01:02:55,697 I have the greatest possible gratitude for the "Tango Argentino" show. 445 01:02:56,573 --> 01:02:59,576 On Broadway it was like a revolution. 446 01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:01,537 Tango-mania. 447 01:03:12,715 --> 01:03:17,262 In the New York Times they said that the best dancers 448 01:03:17,637 --> 01:03:19,514 were Maria Nieves and I. 449 01:03:46,460 --> 01:03:50,214 We worked all the time, we were very well paid, 450 01:03:50,590 --> 01:03:54,009 and I could do what I wanted to do. 451 01:03:54,927 --> 01:03:58,014 -Adagio. -I could ensure I lacked nothing, 452 01:03:58,389 --> 01:04:01,852 that my siblings were alright, that my mother lived like a queen... 453 01:04:02,227 --> 01:04:05,981 I was always focused on helping my family. 454 01:04:38,807 --> 01:04:43,647 We cursed each other when we danced, but nobody noticed. 455 01:04:44,022 --> 01:04:47,108 "Have you been eating heavy rocks?", he said to me. 456 01:04:48,943 --> 01:04:51,863 All through gritted teeth, with a smile. 457 01:04:52,489 --> 01:04:56,576 Because if you argue, you lose concentration with what you're doing. 458 01:04:56,952 --> 01:05:00,665 Seeing you dance, I feel there was something in the dance 459 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,584 that transcended the conflicts. 460 01:05:04,169 --> 01:05:07,630 Yes, I think it was the love of tango. 461 01:05:09,507 --> 01:05:12,510 That it was worth continuing, 462 01:05:13,261 --> 01:05:15,263 although we had separated. 463 01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:19,810 To continue with the tango, something we'd devoted our lives to. 464 01:05:20,227 --> 01:05:22,063 Because there was nothing, 465 01:05:22,438 --> 01:05:26,025 we didn't even look at each other. Nothing. 466 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,779 -We came out, and danced... -How is it working like that? 467 01:05:30,154 --> 01:05:31,614 As a professional, 468 01:05:32,073 --> 01:05:34,451 if your mother dies, 469 01:05:34,826 --> 01:05:36,744 you have to continue. 470 01:05:37,495 --> 01:05:41,291 So we continued dancing. It doesn't matter 471 01:05:41,667 --> 01:05:45,045 what happened. What matters is what you do. 472 01:05:59,478 --> 01:06:01,480 Many years passed. 473 01:06:01,855 --> 01:06:07,361 We got on extremely well once we'd worked everything out. 474 01:06:07,737 --> 01:06:10,155 When he started a family 475 01:06:10,531 --> 01:06:13,117 and I forgot about things. 476 01:06:13,493 --> 01:06:17,247 Artistically it was wonderful. 477 01:06:17,747 --> 01:06:21,334 We danced for many more years. 478 01:06:29,801 --> 01:06:33,472 The artistic separation came many years later. 479 01:06:33,848 --> 01:06:37,519 That hurt me the most, more than anything. 480 01:06:44,609 --> 01:06:48,071 One year earlier we signed a contract for Japan. 481 01:06:48,446 --> 01:06:51,867 And I told her, "When we're back from Japan, it's over." 482 01:06:52,242 --> 01:06:55,288 And I did what I'd said. 483 01:07:32,703 --> 01:07:33,745 Great. 484 01:08:00,107 --> 01:08:02,192 I feel moved. 485 01:08:08,449 --> 01:08:12,370 Tango has something very special about it, 486 01:08:12,746 --> 01:08:15,123 which is communication 487 01:08:15,499 --> 01:08:18,793 between partners. So when we dance it 488 01:08:19,211 --> 01:08:23,005 we feel countless emotions, 489 01:08:23,423 --> 01:08:25,550 as it can be with love, 490 01:08:25,926 --> 01:08:27,469 but also with hate. 491 01:08:28,303 --> 01:08:30,513 I was born to dance tango 492 01:08:30,972 --> 01:08:33,641 and I will die for my tango. 493 01:08:34,016 --> 01:08:35,227 Many thanks. 494 01:08:37,770 --> 01:08:40,566 -Was that improvised, Maria? -Yes. 495 01:08:40,942 --> 01:08:42,525 It was the first time I spoke. 496 01:08:42,901 --> 01:08:45,572 Afterwards I threw up in the restroom. 497 01:08:45,947 --> 01:08:47,656 From the nerves. 498 01:09:13,893 --> 01:09:16,061 I put up with it for 25 years of my life. 499 01:09:16,437 --> 01:09:19,315 There was a tour to Japan and I said to Juan Carlos, 500 01:09:19,690 --> 01:09:22,987 "I think the chapter with Nieves is finished. Think about it. 501 01:09:23,362 --> 01:09:28,117 If you come back home, it's without Nieves as a dance partner. 502 01:09:28,493 --> 01:09:31,453 If you carry on dancing with Nieves, don't come home." 503 01:09:31,828 --> 01:09:33,874 And he came home. 504 01:10:08,119 --> 01:10:09,496 Ugly. 505 01:10:09,871 --> 01:10:11,205 Horrible. 506 01:10:11,580 --> 01:10:13,290 Awful. 507 01:10:14,167 --> 01:10:16,003 Inhuman. 508 01:10:21,675 --> 01:10:25,053 I'd never have done that to him. 509 01:10:25,429 --> 01:10:27,556 Never ever. 510 01:10:29,642 --> 01:10:31,560 It hurt me a lot. 511 01:10:31,977 --> 01:10:33,103 I was... 512 01:10:33,897 --> 01:10:36,525 like a kitten in the shower 513 01:10:37,107 --> 01:10:39,193 being squirted with water. 514 01:10:40,529 --> 01:10:43,614 It was a dagger in the heart, 515 01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:46,325 that tore it apart. 516 01:11:26,995 --> 01:11:30,123 I thought it was over for me 517 01:11:30,498 --> 01:11:32,125 with tango. 518 01:12:07,788 --> 01:12:10,625 I need to dance every night. 519 01:12:12,168 --> 01:12:16,047 I need it in order to feel well. 520 01:12:18,425 --> 01:12:22,596 The body changes, so does the way of dancing. 521 01:12:22,971 --> 01:12:25,932 The only thing I'm not losing is the feeling. 522 01:12:50,293 --> 01:12:54,839 When they separated and stopped dancing together in '97, 523 01:12:55,214 --> 01:12:57,634 after more than 40 years of dancing together, 524 01:12:58,008 --> 01:13:02,138 of course my father missed dancing with Maria. 525 01:13:10,565 --> 01:13:16,612 Even though, when I started to dance, I was practically a clone of Maria, 526 01:13:16,988 --> 01:13:21,451 I still didn't take Maria Nieves' place when I started dancing with him. 527 01:13:23,745 --> 01:13:29,543 Maria is unique. It's impossible to fill her shoes. 528 01:13:43,015 --> 01:13:45,560 This is what I do every night. 529 01:13:47,771 --> 01:13:49,481 At the age of 83. 530 01:13:49,857 --> 01:13:51,525 I don't feel it. 531 01:13:58,157 --> 01:13:59,742 At times I get thinking, 532 01:14:00,034 --> 01:14:04,205 and it makes me mad to think that I'm 83. 533 01:14:30,858 --> 01:14:34,194 -People remember you together. -I'm sure. 534 01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:36,573 Without a doubt. 535 01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:39,618 -And it was for many years. -Yes. 536 01:14:40,661 --> 01:14:42,538 Do you know why it ended? 537 01:14:43,205 --> 01:14:45,583 In truth I haven't the faintest idea. 538 01:14:47,209 --> 01:14:53,133 But, things change. Once time has passed you say, "Well." 539 01:14:53,507 --> 01:14:55,509 On the one hand I'm grateful. 540 01:14:55,885 --> 01:14:57,720 Because that same pain 541 01:14:58,555 --> 01:15:01,600 made me become a better person, 542 01:15:01,975 --> 01:15:03,394 a better artist, 543 01:15:03,768 --> 01:15:05,770 and a better tango dancer. 544 01:15:06,605 --> 01:15:10,693 So I have to be grateful for that separation. 545 01:15:24,333 --> 01:15:25,876 I couldn't believe it. 546 01:15:26,961 --> 01:15:29,921 It gave me goose bumps. 547 01:15:30,296 --> 01:15:33,675 It can't be true! Then at some point I thought 548 01:15:34,050 --> 01:15:37,097 they were applauding me out of pity. 549 01:15:37,472 --> 01:15:39,932 I swear by my mother. 550 01:15:40,307 --> 01:15:42,643 They see I'm old. 551 01:15:43,060 --> 01:15:46,982 And then I accepted it, I said, "No, Maria, 552 01:15:47,358 --> 01:15:52,363 you are a veteran, but on stage you're a lioness." 553 01:16:59,185 --> 01:17:04,606 Hearing that applause, getting a standing ovation in Luna Park, 554 01:17:04,982 --> 01:17:07,485 that was the greatest thing for me. 555 01:17:07,776 --> 01:17:10,028 That's when I realized 556 01:17:10,363 --> 01:17:12,073 I was worth a lot. 557 01:17:12,449 --> 01:17:15,368 More than I believed. 558 01:17:53,825 --> 01:17:56,912 I think everything has changed in my life. 559 01:18:00,457 --> 01:18:03,711 I rose again like a phoenix. 560 01:18:04,380 --> 01:18:07,924 With more vitality, with more joy. 561 01:18:08,300 --> 01:18:09,635 And alone. 562 01:18:10,011 --> 01:18:11,845 Which was the most important part. 563 01:18:12,138 --> 01:18:13,514 Alone. 564 01:18:47,257 --> 01:18:52,596 It makes me sad to know I'm not going to be able to dance anymore, 565 01:18:52,973 --> 01:18:55,475 which is what I love most. 566 01:18:56,476 --> 01:19:00,272 In my dreams I'd dance for ten more years. 567 01:19:43,986 --> 01:19:48,157 Retire? No. I'm not even thinking of it. 568 01:19:48,532 --> 01:19:51,202 I was born with the tango, I devoted myself to the tango, 569 01:19:51,576 --> 01:19:55,956 I transformed it, and I want to die with the tango. 570 01:20:00,461 --> 01:20:05,299 Yes, I've suffered a lot, but I think all women suffer. 571 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:10,264 All men suffer, sooner or later in life. 572 01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:12,599 I remember all the bad things, 573 01:20:12,974 --> 01:20:17,022 but I remember with happiness and with forgiveness. 574 01:20:19,524 --> 01:20:22,152 Because now I am me. 575 01:20:23,904 --> 01:20:27,279 For good or for bad, I am Maria Nieves.